Where did all the water come from?

If it wasnt created as some claim, then where did it all come from?

The sky.

God, I imagine.

A combination of hydrogen and oxygen.

[quote name='StoneRanger' post='99259' date='Jul 31 2009, 07:53 PM']A combination of hydrogen and oxygen.[/quote]

^^ pretty simple actually.



Terrestrial planet gets formed with the rest of the solar system, over the course of a couple billion years it settles down and develops a climate, as it cools off the hydrogen and oxygen becomes water vapor and then eventually water. Venus's atmosphere is actually thick with a couple oceans' worth of water vapor that would turn into rain if it didn't have such an extreme greenhouse effect with all its carbon dioxide.



Now if we were asking where things came before that, origins of the universe etc. that's a deeper philosophical question.

[quote name='lostfan' post='99426' date='Aug 1 2009, 12:11 AM']^^ pretty simple actually.



Terrestrial planet gets formed with the rest of the solar system, over the course of a couple billion years it settles down and develops a climate, as it cools off the hydrogen and oxygen becomes water vapor and then eventually water. Venus's atmosphere is actually thick with a couple oceans' worth of water vapor that would turn into rain if it didn't have such an extreme greenhouse effect with all its carbon dioxide.



Now if we were asking where things came before that, origins of the universe etc. that's a deeper philosophical question.[/quote]



Now that's God's work.



</Christian view>

[quote name='StoneRanger' post='99476' date='Jul 31 2009, 10:49 PM']Now that's God's work.



</Christian view>[/quote]

I happen to think it's silly to assume all this appeared out of nowhere, but when people start telling me the earth is only 6000 years old I can't help but to laugh.

[quote name='lostfan' post='99507' date='Aug 1 2009, 01:12 AM']I happen to think it's silly to assume all this appeared out of nowhere, but when people start telling me the earth is only 6000 years old I can't help but to laugh.[/quote]



Now that's the fundamentalist's view. I've never seen the Bible as a timeline of events myself.

[quote name='lostfan' post='99426' date='Jul 31 2009, 10:11 PM']^^ pretty simple actually.



Terrestrial planet gets formed with the rest of the solar system, over the course of a couple billion years it settles down and develops a climate, as it cools off the hydrogen and oxygen becomes water vapor and then eventually water. Venus's atmosphere is actually thick with a couple oceans' worth of water vapor that would turn into rain if it didn't have such an extreme greenhouse effect with all its carbon dioxide.



Now if we were asking where things came before that, origins of the universe etc. that's a deeper philosophical question.[/quote]



Thoughtful but as you say, what happened before that.

[quote name='lostfan' post='99507' date='Jul 31 2009, 11:12 PM']I happen to think it's silly to assume all this appeared out of nowhere, but when people start telling me the earth is only 6000 years old I can't help but to laugh.[/quote]



I wonder where the idea came from that it is only 6K years old?

[quote name='T-O' post='99792' date='Aug 1 2009, 12:13 PM']Thoughtful but as you say, what happened before that.[/quote]



Seeing as time is endless, it's also beginningless, so even if scientists find more evidence of what happened, you can still ask that question.

Water is God's piss.

[quote name='T-O' post='99794' date='Aug 1 2009, 09:14 AM']I wonder where the idea came from that it is only 6K years old?[/quote]

The Bible, like StoneRanger started to get into. The Bible says God created the earth in 6 days, so that's taken literally to mean 6 days according to us. Then from there you trace the timelines of all the people mentioned in the Bible and it comes out to about that. Personally I like to say I have no idea what the concept of time is like to God (assuming he exists of course) and a blink of an eye for him could be my entire life, for all I know.

[quote name='lostfan' post='99827' date='Aug 1 2009, 10:59 AM']The Bible, like StoneRanger started to get into. The Bible says God created the earth in 6 days, so that's taken literally to mean 6 days according to us. Then from there you trace the timelines of all the people mentioned in the Bible and it comes out to about that. Personally I like to say I have no idea what the concept of time is like to God (assuming he exists of course) and a blink of an eye for him could be my entire life, for all I know.[/quote]



The Bible often uses the term "day" to indicate a period of time. Sometimes a long time, sometimes not.

There is no reason whatsoever to assume that the "creative days" in the creation account were 24 hour days.

God does not need to conform to man's reckoning of time.



Obviously each creative "day" was many years in duration. Possibly 6000 each. No one really knows precisely.



You will note that in the Genesis account it states that Jehovah's spirit was moving about the earth and that at that time the earth was a formless waste. How long had it been that way before He decided to continue the process of creation?

Baby Jeebus' tears... he's crying right now wondering how on Earth this is a topic for debate?

[quote name='T-O' post='98397' date='Jul 31 2009, 01:34 PM']If it wasnt created as some claim, then where did it all come from?[/quote]

agreed. I believe if something's been created. There must be a creator. But it's hard for me to believe that the creator fits the description of what the bible contains.

[quote name='PK14' post='99817' date='Aug 1 2009, 12:39 PM']Water is God's piss.[/quote]



No wonder I'm not a fan of the rain.

[quote name='Lil D-Ped' post='100290' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:06 PM']agreed. I believe if something's been created. There must be a creator. But it's hard for me to believe that the creator fits the description of what the bible contains.[/quote]



What is your conception of a "creator" if not the Bible one ?

[quote name='T-O' post='100627' date='Aug 2 2009, 10:01 AM']What is your conception of a "creator" if not the Bible one ?[/quote]

You realize people are allowed to have beliefs that are not written down in a fictitious book somewhere right? The creator told of in the bible is no more legitimate than any creator Lil D-Ped envisions in his mind.

[quote name='Blindsided' post='104101' date='Aug 5 2009, 02:25 PM']You realize people are allowed to have beliefs that are not written down in a fictitious book somewhere right? The creator told of in the bible is no more legitimate than any creator Lil D-Ped envisions in his mind.[/quote]



Sure and I can argue that it makes sense to believe in the God of the Bible. But logically, IF one believes in a creator, would it make sense that this creator would be completely annonymous, not telling man who or what he is, what his purpose is, what his requirements are, what he has in store for man or this earth?



Would he, after creating man and the earth and universe so magnificently that he would simply turn us loose and let things all go to hell like it has in this world, finally letting his wonderful creation of mankind destroy itself because they were not given any guidance?



And If this fictitious creator made things so wonderful would he not be a complete dunce to let it all go down the tube without any guidance to mankind to help it turn out otherwise?



The God of the Bible gives us all those things, but what does a fictitious creator give us to sustain the great things he has made? AND if a creator who exists only in ones mind, what guarantee is there that this imaginary creator exists at all?

This doesn't logically follow, because when you say that a world with an anonymous creator would just be created arbitrarily and be allowed to deteriorate "like it has," how is that any different than a world created by the God in the Bible? After all, it's basically happened, either way. By giving guidance, but on what? From what I can tell it doesn't say anything in the Bible about how to use the Earth's resources in the 21st century, how to conduct international relations, how to deal with terrorism etc. because none of that existed when the Bible was written.

[quote name='lostfan' post='106453' date='Aug 7 2009, 09:48 AM']This doesn't logically follow, because when you say that a world with an anonymous creator would just be created arbitrarily and be allowed to deteriorate "like it has," how is that any different than a world created by the God in the Bible? After all, it's basically happened, either way. By giving guidance, but on what? From what I can tell it doesn't say anything in the Bible about how to use the Earth's resources in the 21st century, how to conduct international relations, how to deal with terrorism etc. because none of that existed when the Bible was written.[/quote]





Good post but not so. Actually the Bible is a complete set of instructions for how mankind should live.



For instance, it points out that a person should not kill another, it points out that God's heavenly kingdom government, established in 1914 according to Bible chronology and backed up by world events, will take care of the rotten state that we are in now with man well on his way to destroying our planet, including all the things that you mention and also getting rid of false religious teachings (and those who practise them) that have enslaved and corrupted mankind all these centuries and much much more.



The Bible, which is Jehovah God's letter of instructions to mankind, includes all the things that are necessary for everlasting life here on the earth (God's orioginal purpose as you will recall) on a cleansed earth, a doing away with false teachings, crime of all kinds, wars and all others too numerous to mention.



Does a God in someone's imagination suggest any of these things? Of course not.



I think that if one has a notion that there really is a creator, then it would be wise to find out who He is and what He requires man to do to get out of the mess that WE ourselves created.



All of this can be backed up by Bible teachings.



Thanks for listening.

I've always gotten the impression that the Bible tells us how we should treat each other, live socially, etc. and it didn't really get into all the big macro-level stuff.

[quote name='lostfan' post='106475' date='Aug 7 2009, 10:42 AM']I've always gotten the impression that the Bible tells us how we should treat each other, live socially, etc. and it didn't really get into all the big macro-level stuff.[/quote]



It is what you say but far more including what is going to happen to the things in the world in order to clean up the whole mess to restore it to the way it was meant to be.



A "neckpenis" so to speak.

[quote name='T-O' post='106773' date='Aug 7 2009, 02:29 PM']It is what you say but far more including what is going to happen to the things in the world in order to clean up the whole mess to restore it to the way it was meant to be.



A "neckpenis"so to speak.[/quote]





A "neckpenis" so to speak.



It looks like someone has found a way to edit one's posts. These are not my words. I dont even know what that means..

LOL neckpenis.

lol. I forgot what it said before that.

SO..... Where did all the water come from??



We have had some explanations about hydrogen and oxygen etc which was good but that only leaves more questions than answers.



Proponents of the "big bang" theory will no doubt have a hard time with the appearance of water. Actually evolutionists as a whole say that this is the one biggest question mark that they have with various explanations ranging from silly to absurd.



Does anyone know if a explosion of the magnitude that would be necessary to create the entire universe could actually produce water or ice and at the same time deposit it in the right place? Even an explosion the size of a match being lit has never created anything close to being water.



For instance here on earth, but look at some of the other areas in the universe. One of the moons around Jupiter or Saturn appears to be solid ice. How come it would accumulate in that one area and not in some of the other moons in that system around the planet, and yet neither Saturn or Jupiter has any water or ice even with their tremendous gravitational pull.



Some scientists will say that our moon is a chunk of our own earth that was torn away by some cataclysmic event gadzillions of years ago (give or take a few billion). How come the moon has no water like the earth has, and at the same time has no atmosphere and is composed of mostly mica and sand, or glass and sand as the case may be, and yet the earth that it supposedly was a part of at one time has all these other great things for our life to prevail?



Genesis 1:17 says this…”Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.”



The moon would not “shine” as it does if it were black dirt. He knew what he was doing when he caused the moon to be what it is.

I really don't have an answer. Because rain falls as precipitation from the sea, so it aint that. So it must either be god, or scientific method

[quote name='metsyankeesfan' post='113987' date='Aug 13 2009, 08:50 AM']I really don't have an answer. Because rain falls as precipitation from the sea, so it aint that. So it must either be god, or scientific method[/quote]



Rain coming from the sea is in itself a marvellous thing.



The scientific method leaves many unanswered questions. People may say that belief in God as the creator also leaves many questions.



But when you take a close look at creation in general, down to the smallest cell, it is as the Bible says at Romans 1:20... “For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” NWT..



One tiny cell in a human body is something like a city. It has a communications system, an electrical system, a waste disposal system, a transportation system and more. And the biggest thing of all is that it can DUPLICATE itself precisely.



As that Bible verse states, it is inexcusable to deny that things so wonderfully made could possibly have come from nothing.



As for all the water, evolutionists have said that this is the biggest stumbling block. Their best guess is that the earth must have been bombarded with meteorites that contained a small amount of water, eventually filling the ocean’s and sea’s. Seems to me the world would be full of, not water, but meteorites ??



So where did the tiny bit of water in meteorites come from? How did they survive the entry into the earth’s atmosphere? How many of these things would it take to fill the earth with water?



And intelligent people have the audacity, or stupidity, to suggest that everything came from nothing.



Absolutely everything that we are aware of points directly to a super intelligent and powerful creator.