Race

"Race has nothing to do with your skin color, it has everything to do with your upbringing."



Agree or disagree?

I agree. I think we should all be called the same race. The Human race.

[quote name='redsoxfan46' post='45908' date='Jun 11 2009, 06:53 PM']I agree. I think we should all be called the same race. The Human race.[/quote]



Huh? That statement really has nothing to do with the quote.

I agree



No matter how racist you think I am, Im gonna use black as an example. There is a big different between a ghetto black and a person of black skin that is educated. And I have many black friends who acknowledge so much.

[quote name='Orioles Magic' post='46100' date='Jun 11 2009, 07:00 PM']I agree



No matter how racist you think I am, Im gonna use black as an example. There is a big different between a ghetto black and a person of black skin that is educated. And I have many black friends who acknowledge so much.[/quote]



I am black and I don't think your racist but I think that is something different. So you would take a black person that is educated to be a member of the white community? I base it more off of economics and who you hang out with. I am not retarded and don't talk ghetto as shit but I hang out with strictly black people for the most part and I live in a tiny townhouse in this community. My parents one is a janitor at the local elementary school the other works at some kind of assistant to the assistant of an accountant lol.

Perhaps you should explain the quote yourself?

Like I said I do agree that the upbringing and surrounding that any person is brought up in will influence the way people preceive that person to be. Is that the way people should think about people and put them in a box like that. For example: If we say our upbringing influences our race or the way we act then should we say oh every person that lives out in Suburbia are eduacated and have blue collar jobs. That is not the case. You can even look at it the other way as well. If someone lives in the City or the Ghetto does that automatically place them as black, hispanic, not educated. No it doesn't. So we as people do tend to stereotype people by there upbringing, but it is far from an exact measurement of who the people really are.

I agree. It isn't about race, but it is about how you act to make the steriotype?



If that's what you mean I totaly agree. I mean it's weird how every jewish guy i know is obsessed with money or that my haircut place is full of russians or the maids at my house are all mexican. I mean that's how they upbring their race.

I agree with the scientific way to define race.



"The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics. The most widely used human racial categories are based on salient traits (especially skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture), and self-identification"

You guys are more or less on track here, but the gist is more or less the fact that race is a social construct, not a genetic one, obvious physical differences notwithstanding.

I would disagree. Race is a specifically defined word. People's assumptions on what race is might not be as specifc as the definition, but the definition doesnt change because people misuse it.



Upbringing is a cultural thing, not a racial thing. There are awesome black parents, there are crappy black parents. There are thug white people and great white people. Thats not racial. Your race does not define your actions.



Unfortunately too many people in the black community (my half community before any one thinks im all racist) that believe race does define their actions. The have to act "black" They limit themselves by falling into stereotypical patterns of being a baby daddy, a single mom, not valuing education. But that is cultural not racial.

[quote name='Alexandra' post='54579' date='Jun 18 2009, 07:39 AM']I would disagree. Race is a specifically defined word. People's assumptions on what race is might not be as specifc as the definition, but the definition doesnt change because people misuse it.



Upbringing is a cultural thing, not a racial thing. There are awesome black parents, there are crappy black parents. There are thug white people and great white people. Thats not racial. Your race does not define your actions.



Unfortunately too many people in the black community (my half community before any one thinks im all racist) that believe race does define their actions. The have to act "black" They limit themselves by falling into stereotypical patterns of being a baby daddy, a single mom, not valuing education. But that is cultural not racial.[/quote]



I am sorry that the black people around you represent my race in that way. I am not all like that and there are many kids at my school who are not as well. The kid with the highest GPA at my school is black, and he also made it to states in track and field. Race should define someone's actions, but unfortunately a lot of times in our society kids especially try to stick to the existing stereotypes that are out there and limit themselves and what they can do.

I do agree in a way. I hate how some black people have to act so gangster to be cool, when they don't need to be, but then again i'd never judge any black person for that either.

A persons upbringing and environment that they grow up does define who they are. To me this is why some professional athletes have a hard time transitioning from the environment that they grew up with to that of someone that is making millions of dollars in such a short time. There whole lifestyle changes in practically an instant when they get drafted and signed. Some players adjust fine to the transition. Others struggle to handle the status.

I think the idea of the quote is that the way people act is based much more on their upbringing/enviornment growing up/wealth growing up than it does their skin color, which is definitely true.

Look people, the fact is differences do exist between races, and certain races are superior to others at certain things, regardless of environment. Why do you think there are so many black cornerbacks in the NFL? Why do you think Asians are so good at math? Why do you think black people tend to have lower IQs? Think about it.

[quote name='fan of cricket' post='85296' date='Jul 17 2009, 06:13 PM']Look people, the fact is differences do exist between races, and certain races are superior to others at certain things, regardless of environment. Why do you think there are so many black cornerbacks in the NFL? Why do you think Asians are so good at math? Why do you think black people tend to have lower IQs? Think about it.[/quote]

This is a breathtakingly superficial statement.

[quote name='fan of cricket' post='85296' date='Jul 17 2009, 05:13 PM']Look people, the fact is differences do exist between races, and certain races are superior to others at certain things, regardless of environment. Why do you think there are so many black cornerbacks in the NFL? Why do you think Asians are so good at math? Why do you think black people tend to have lower IQs? Think about it.[/quote]



Are you serious right now? Black people tend to have lower IQs because IQ is a flawed test to begin with. It is a proven fact that black people in America as a whole are poorer than white America, and are forced to work away from home while white people are at home nurturing their kids. While white people are at home reading to their kid before they go to sleep, little black kids are at a daycare waiting for their mom to pick them up @ 11 and put them to bed before she goes to the night shift. Obviously I am making a generalization here, but your comment is so racist.



Ever heard of Dr. Ben Carson? George Washington Carver? Thurgood Marshall? White people got more opportunities from the start and these guys still came out on top.

[quote name='fan of cricket' post='85296' date='Jul 17 2009, 09:13 PM']Look people, the fact is differences do exist between races, and certain races are superior to others at certain things, regardless of environment. Why do you think there are so many black cornerbacks in the NFL? Why do you think Asians are so good at math? Why do you think black people tend to have lower IQs? Think about it.[/quote]

LOL



thats what stereotypes are for you ignorant ****

yes I do. See, I am a black male...yet I am educated, and such. I grew up in a nice area, and never lived in struggle. I am obviously going to have a different mentality from say someone from Bed-Stuy. I was actually nearly like that. My father died when I was very young, and my mother was a drug addict. I was adopted by a white couple from Cleveland when I was 5. Otherwise, I could have been raised in an unsavioury area of Queens. I am still in contact with my mother's father, who is Dominican, and you see that he has a totally different mentality to that of someone I meet every day. It is the way he was brought up, and to an extent, his life struggles have shaped him. That is why race is definately more about your surroundings than the color of your skin. Heck, you go to many parts of America and you'll see more "black" white kids than me, and I am black.

I feel that everything about the stereotypes of race have nothing to do with anything, its the positions and ways in which a person is brought up. I was raised in a small town a couple of hours outside of Atlanta. Growing up, there were just a handful of people of any race other than white. However we did grow up with 2 or 3 kids who were black. These kids were brought up in the same town maybe a little different as far as social classes are concerned but overall these kids until the point that we got to high school came to be just like the rest of us. As I stated we were a few hours outside of Atlanta in a town where you can just tell you are in a redneck type of place and as we got to high school there were some kids who would go out and act racist and 2 of the black kids eventually turned to drugs, and I can't help but think it was because of the criticisms for being of different skin color, but the other was very active and just like the rest of us throughout high school.



But anyways growing up in this town, and even in a family that had some of what most would call racists(there actually were some) but what a lot call racist, I have grown up seeing in a different light, I guess just from growing up in it, but I watch my grandpa who is 90 years old, he never refers to a black person as anything other than the n word, and he doesn't really like to be around them or anything, but where most would see him as the racist, I see him as just not liking change, not really opening himself up to something that is different. He had never been around black people during his entire life and the reasoning for calling a black person the n word is because that is just what was acceptable and used to him growing up around him. But in December 2007, I found myself to come to realize the effects of being in an society that doesn't accept change. My little boy was born, and had breathing problems so he had to be taken to Atlanta to a large hospital with a Newborn Intensive Care. My mother and I went down to the hospital as my wife had to stay at the other hospital to recover from a c-section. This was the first significant time, other than a few concerts, races, or Braves games, that I had ever spent in Atlanta. Being from a small town, its a whole different world. There was a McDonalds in the parking garage of this hospital and believe me it was an upgrade over the food in the hospital itself, but anyways, while I was there, you could see the "stereotypical" black person, they just walked different, talked different, dressed different, and because of the stereotypes I found myself nervous just because I was outside my comfort zone and surrounded by the culture. While in the McDonalds, a black guy, with baggy clothes just what most people who listen to the stereotypes, walked up to me and asked me for a dollar to get him some breakfast, and my mom, suffering from the same lack of being able to see that she was just afraid of what is different to her, kept telling him no but I gave him 2 dollars, the guy even brought the bag and cup where he bought a biscuit and drink and showed me that he had used it for food. Since then I have worked with black guys from New Jersey and Louisiana and had to room with a guy from Atlanta and I have learned to let my guard down that has been put up by what is different. Sure there are black guys out there who fit the stereotype but just as many whites and other races out there who fit it as well. It all comes down to how the person's parents raise the people. Sure there are parents out there who seem to be good as they are strict and stuff but there is a point where you can be to strict and protective, and there is a point where you can be to open to letting children do things or get by with things, but for the most part its all about the way a child is raised and the community and people surrounding the child as to how the person will come out in the end.



sorry for the long post...