Drill Here and pay less

Its True from Newt Gingrich book. Gas is going up again in case you didnt notice. But Washington will not listen to us simply because the Democrats rather listen to the Environmentalist who tell us we cant drill oil in American soil Just like ANWR is off limits because the Environmentalist it will kill and harm wildlife. And we cant do off shore drilling Environmentalist say we might kill the fish and harm marine life. And we cant build more refineries because liberal Environmentalist say its gonna hurt the environment. Look Gas cost 70 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia cause they have the resorces to make gasolene there And in Venezuela gas cost 25 cents a gallon cause again they have the resorces there. The fact is Washington is so hooked on the Environmentalist that they cant break off them and allow drilling in Alaska and on our nations off shore coasts for oil plus build more refineries and tell the Middle east to shove up their oil up their you know where! And Gas will cost cheap again.

[quote name='steveox' post='109709' date='Aug 9 2009, 07:12 PM']Its True from Newt Gingrich book. Gas is going up again in case you didnt notice. But Washington will not listen to us simply because the Democrats rather listen to the Environmentalist who tell us we cant drill oil in American soil Just like ANWR is off limits because the Environmentalist it will kill and harm wildlife. And we cant do off shore drilling Environmentalist say we might kill the fish and harm marine life. And we cant build more refineries because liberal Environmentalist say its gonna hurt the environment. Look Gas cost 70 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia cause they have the resorces to make gasolene there And in Venezuela gas cost 25 cents a gallon cause again they have the resorces there. The fact is Washington is so hooked on the Environmentalist that they cant break off them and allow drilling in Alaska and on our nations off shore coasts for oil plus build more refineries and tell the Middle east to shove up their oil up their you know where! And Gas will cost cheap again.[/quote]





As far as gas going up, its all a matter of inflation and the fact that the value of the dollar is down compared to what it was in the past. Also Labor day is coming up which means lots of travel and I am not sure how old you could be or anything, but I have noticed since I was 15 that gas prices start rising before any national holiday in which people travel a lot, just like hotel prices go up in summertime because people are vacationing. You must thank any american for the fact of what Gas Prices cost. It was George W. Bush who signed the bills causing increase in minimum wage the past 3 years, not just a democrat or a republican, secondly even if it didn't harm wildlife, why waste time and resources when we know that Saudi Arabia is where the oil is located. The fact that it only cost 70 cents a gallon is first about how much it costs to drill and process the oil to gasoline, compare that to labor costs in America. Just look at what the average UAW auto worker working for GM or Chrysler was making, then look at what a Toyota worker was making, and just think how Toyota hasn't been in nearly the same troubles. Toyota plant workers make roughly half what UAW demanded for their workers. America has this idea that they can perform a task so they must be paid absolutely top dollar and *bad language* about not getting raises when their company is going bankrupt because they can't afford to pay the salaries anymore.

Now why hasnt Obama try to regalate the Gas companies like hes doing with the Auto Companies? I favor a Bill in congress to set a price limit that a gas company can charge. Like my Idea $2.25 a Gallon limit. If you go over $2.25 ever 10 cents you increse you pay an $100,000 a week bill to the IRS. So tell Shell EXON And BP if you dont want to pay a fee to the IRS then dont raise gas over $2.25 a gallon cause every 10 cents over $2.25 a gallion you pay $100,000 fee a week to the IRS Heres my Table fee would look like.



$2.35= Pay $100,000 A week

$2.45= Pay $200,000 A week

$2.55= Pay $300,000 A week

$2.65= Pay $400,000 A week

$2.75= Pay $500,000 A week

$2.85= Pay $600,000 A week

$2.95= Pay $700,000 A week

$3.05= Pay $800,000 A week

$3.15= Pay $900,000 A week

$3.25= Pay $1,000,000 A week



And so on. Dont wanna pay these fees? then keep it under $2.25 a Gallon

Why would you put limits on/tax the gas stations? They get their gas from oil companies and they get their oil from the global market. Want to tax the source? Then tax Saudi Arabia, OPEC, and Russia. Which is impossible.

Then why did EXXON & MOBIL Made record profits? And guess what?? THEY DIDNT EVEN ASK FOR A BAILOUT. And Get this An Exxon Mobil CEO Got a 50 Millon dollar Retirement check. Dont give me that bull about Saudi Arabia excuse!

American oil is still a part of the global market.

But we can break away from OPEC. Its like having an Hammer over their heads. Ever heard the old sayin "one bird in a hand is worth two in a bush? We can manipulate the Middle east of they refuse to cooperate. By warning them if you dont bring oil down to under $50 a barrell then we have no choice but to produce oil ourselves and the world will not receive any of it. And believe you me theyre listen and cooperate.

[quote name='steveox' post='109901' date='Aug 9 2009, 09:57 PM']But we can break away from OPEC. Its like having an Hammer over their heads. Ever heard the old sayin "one bird in a hand is worth two in a bush? We can manipulate the Middle east of they refuse to cooperate. By warning them if you dont bring oil down to under $50 a barrell then we have no choice but to produce oil ourselves and the world will not receive any of it. And believe you me theyre listen and cooperate.[/quote]





We Cannot break away from OPEC, our country could not survive for very long at all, gas prices would probably get close to $10 a gallon. I mean overall, I have been driving for 7 or 8 years and I always remember paying around 1.70 a gallon for it, the 2.30 a gallon I am paying today doesn't really bother me knowing that minimum wage has increased from 5.15 an hour to 7.25 and the value of the dollar is dropping on the world market.

[quote name='steveox' post='109901' date='Aug 9 2009, 09:57 PM']But we can break away from OPEC. Its like having an Hammer over their heads. Ever heard the old sayin "one bird in a hand is worth two in a bush? We can manipulate the Middle east of they refuse to cooperate. By warning them if you dont bring oil down to under $50 a barrell then we have no choice but to produce oil ourselves and the world will not receive any of it. And believe you me theyre listen and cooperate.[/quote]





You want change, the only way for that to happen is for all of America to sit at the house for 24 hours in unison, don't leave, don't buy gas, don't buy anything, just sit at the house all in unison, do you realize how bad that would hurt the gas companies. I used to work for a power company, and each day before work, I would pump 250 bucks worth of diesel into my bucket truck, multiply that by all the bucket trucks, then all the other vehicles, if everyone stays at home or walks, that cuts down on the need for police and ems so that one 24 hours of day would absolutely kill the american oil companies.



Also, you recognize that the oil companies are COMPANIES not CHARITIES. Their job is to post profits, not to just give stuff away for free.

[quote name='amarant00' post='110075' date='Aug 9 2009, 09:58 PM']We Cannot break away from OPEC, our country could not survive for very long at all, gas prices would probably get close to $10 a gallon. I mean overall, I have been driving for 7 or 8 years and I always remember paying around 1.70 a gallon for it, the 2.30 a gallon I am paying today doesn't really bother me knowing that minimum wage has increased from 5.15 an hour to 7.25 and the value of the dollar is dropping on the world market.[/quote]

Yes we can! All the US to do is start making plans to Drill in Alaska,Coasts of Califirnia and Florida. And then build 15 New refineries and then Gas would be around $1.25 - $1.50 a Gallon again and then tell OPEC WE WARNED YA! Now you get no money or support from us the oil at home is ours. And if you arabs ever attack us again WE SEND NUKES NEXT!! Thats all we need to do. But Liberals just dont want us hurting the environment. Just like why GAS is $6 in Europe cause the environment the liberals want to protect there.

[quote name='steveox' post='110263' date='Aug 10 2009, 01:02 AM']Yes we can! All the US to do is start making plans to Drill in Alaska,Coasts of Califirnia and Florida. And then build 15 New refineries and then Gas would be around $1.25 - $1.50 a Gallon again and then tell OPEC WE WARNED YA! Now you get no money or support from us the oil at home is ours. And if you arabs ever attack us again WE SEND NUKES NEXT!! Thats all we need to do. But Liberals just dont want us hurting the environment. Just like why GAS is $6 in Europe cause the environment the liberals want to protect there.[/quote]





Are you really this ignorant? If you could just go out, drill and have oil, everyone in the ****ing world would be doing it. The problem with your plan is there just isn't enough oil where you are wanting to drill to supply the country. We HAVE TO RELY ON OPEC who gets its oil from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Argentina, places like this because they have a ton of oil. You just can't go drilling and tell the place that holds 95% of the worlds oil to **** themselves.

[quote name='steveox' post='110263' date='Aug 10 2009, 01:02 AM']And if you arabs ever attack us again WE SEND NUKES NEXT!! Thats all we need to do. But Liberals just dont want us hurting the environment. Just like why GAS is $6 in Europe cause the environment the liberals want to protect there.[/quote]



This is the lines of thinking that cost the conservatives their seats in the House, the Senate, and the Presidential Cabinet.



Don't run around blaming liberals, it was your conservative President who attacked Iraq without any type of cause at all, except the fact that he just wanted to show his daddy up. It was your President who lied to the world first saying there were connections to Al Qaeda, they were proven wrong, so then came WMD's, proven wrong, and then came the classic if the heathen countries won't be democratic GW Bush is gonna come kick the door in to your government and make you be a democratic nation.



And for the reasons that we are in Iraq, oil has went up because it just pisses OPEC off and then they cut back on production and make the barrels of oil go up and then the U.S sees 4 and 5 bucks a gallon gas.



The whole nuke comment makes you seem incredibly dumb and ignorant and just plain cold to the fact that Arabs are humans as well, what are you 12, 13 years old? You can't just nuke someone, it effects not only the people it kills but generations of people who are poisoned by the radiation given off, and the majority of Arab Muslims are peaceful people and because of that, the radicals usually take over.

Oil went up because of the growth in India and China's manufacturing sectors and economies in general, not because OPEC was mad at us.

We dropped the A BOMB on Japan to teach them a lesson you dont ever ever attack the USA. The consitution says it. If you attack America on American soil then we have the right to attack you back. As for the WAR in IRAQ youre right., We attacked IRAQ because Saddam tried to kill Bushs daddy. But We attacked Afgainstan for the 9-11 attacks. So if we USE the NUKES it will teach those Arabs a lesson just like Japan learned it.

[quote name='lostfan' post='110354' date='Aug 10 2009, 09:54 AM']Oil went up because of the growth in India and China's manufacturing sectors and economies in general, not because OPEC was mad at us.[/quote]





Okay so our war on the mid east has absolutely nothing to do with it? I mean I was 15 with a learner's permit and I remember gas being .99 cents a gallon, in 2001. Then by the time we had invaded Iraq, it was at 1.70....I do not see that as a coincidence.

[quote name='steveox' post='110384' date='Aug 10 2009, 11:30 AM']We dropped the A BOMB on Japan to teach them a lesson you dont ever ever attack the USA. The consitution says it. If you attack America on American soil then we have the right to attack you back. As for the WAR in IRAQ youre right., We attacked IRAQ because Saddam tried to kill Bushs daddy. But We attacked Afgainstan for the 9-11 attacks. So if we USE the NUKES it will teach those Arabs a lesson just like Japan learned it.[/quote]





That was a national army attacking us. The attacks on 9/11/01 were by a terrorist organization. So you want to go kill several hundreds of thousands and poison another few hundred thousand innocent people to get back at a rather small terrorist organization. You know these guys would be well protected in their caves and other things, the only people that would be harmed is the innocent ones.

[quote name='amarant00' post='110755' date='Aug 10 2009, 06:47 PM']Okay so our war on the mid east has absolutely nothing to do with it? I mean I was 15 with a learner's permit and I remember gas being .99 cents a gallon, in 2001. Then by the time we had invaded Iraq, it was at 1.70....I do not see that as a coincidence.[/quote]

It didn't help, but no. Also the gas being under 1.00 in 2001 was an anomaly and it didn't last that long. I forget the reason why exactly but it dipped low for some reason, then a few months later started heading back up. It didn't have anything to do with them being pissed off at us, it's simple supply and demand.



...also take into consideration Iraq's pre-war production capacity and the fact that we damaged that pretty bad and it took years to get it back on track. I'm actually not even sure it's fully back on line yet.

Or we could not drill oil. We could drill for natural gas. I don't understand why environmentalists think we need to take huge steps like solar paneled cars when, in reality, we can take it a little at a time. America has enough natural gas to run for most likely hundreds of years. Why not create natural gas vehicles and actually have gas stations that will supply it to you? Natural gas does not hurt the environment, does not smell, does not taste, does not have a color...it is what we need NOW. Not electric cars that can only go for like 45 minutes. We can HAVE that in the future.



I agree with drilling here, but it needs to be natural gas.

[quote name='Hayden' post='110895' date='Aug 10 2009, 08:00 PM']Or we could not drill oil. We could drill for natural gas. I don't understand why environmentalists think we need to take huge steps like solar paneled cars when, in reality, we can take it a little at a time. America has enough natural gas to run for most likely hundreds of years. Why not create natural gas vehicles and actually have gas stations that will supply it to you? Natural gas does not hurt the environment, does not smell, does not taste, does not have a color...it is what we need NOW. Not electric cars that can only go for like 45 minutes. We can HAVE that in the future.



I agree with drilling here, but it needs to be natural gas.[/quote]





I am unfamiliar with how much Natural Gas we have but increasing our oil drilling will not help anything, we just don't have the resources for oil to supply the country for long. I do think I read about an abundance of natural gas in America a while back but I think it would make cars really expensive, converting them to run off natural gas.

[quote name='amarant00' post='111011' date='Aug 10 2009, 07:29 PM']I am unfamiliar with how much Natural Gas we have but increasing our oil drilling will not help anything, we just don't have the resources for oil to supply the country for long. I do think I read about an abundance of natural gas in America a while back but I think it would make cars really expensive, converting them to run off natural gas.[/quote]



Yes, we have a bunch of natural gas here in America. In fact, my dad has 3 rigs that drill for natural gas and another company. Natural gas is the way to go right now because of the amount we have and it has been around since the 1980's. People just don't talk about it because they want the future things done now and not in the future.



It actually wouldn't be too bad, especially if the government stepped up and gave good discounts and cuts on your taxes if you have a natural gas vehicle. I mean like, pay for it in 2 years kind of tax cuts...It actually isn't that expensive to get your vehicle fixed to work on CNG (compressed natural gas). It is only about 6,000 I believe for a car. More for a truck, however. What would you rather pay though? 35,000 for an electric car or 20,000 for a gas car and then switch it over to natural gas?



Guess what else it would do? Make other terror countries poorer. Why did Iraq get all the money in the first place? Because we gave them tips, etc. on how to drill oil. They would have been years back if we hadn't helped them with any of that and terror would not have probably happened. If they can't sell oil, they can't make money for their army. That is how we can defeat them.

[quote name='amarant00' post='110759' date='Aug 10 2009, 05:49 PM']That was a national army attacking us. The attacks on 9/11/01 were by a terrorist organization. So you want to go kill several hundreds of thousands and poison another few hundred thousand innocent people to get back at a rather small terrorist organization. You know these guys would be well protected in their caves and other things, the only people that would be harmed is the innocent ones.[/quote]

Nope the Arabs would died in caves too. Theres much much more a Nuclear bomb can do then the Flash,,The Wind and the Heat would do. Ever heard of radiation? Radiation is poison in the air. When your exposed to radiation you die very slowly about a month after that blast.

[quote name='steveox' post='111312' date='Aug 10 2009, 11:50 PM']Nope the Arabs would died in caves too. Theres much much more a Nuclear bomb can do then the Flash,,The Wind and the Heat would do. Ever heard of radiation? Radiation is poison in the air. When your exposed to radiation you die very slowly about a month after that blast.[/quote]





I believe I alluded to radiation in a couple of posts...

[quote name='Hayden' post='111030' date='Aug 10 2009, 07:37 PM']Yes, we have a bunch of natural gas here in America. In fact, my dad has 3 rigs that drill for natural gas and another company. Natural gas is the way to go right now because of the amount we have and it has been around since the 1980's. People just don't talk about it because they want the future things done now and not in the future.



It actually wouldn't be too bad, especially if the government stepped up and gave good discounts and cuts on your taxes if you have a natural gas vehicle. I mean like, pay for it in 2 years kind of tax cuts...It actually isn't that expensive to get your vehicle fixed to work on CNG (compressed natural gas). It is only about 6,000 I believe for a car. More for a truck, however. What would you rather pay though? 35,000 for an electric car or 20,000 for a gas car and then switch it over to natural gas?



Guess what else it would do? Make other terror countries poorer. Why did Iraq get all the money in the first place? Because we gave them tips, etc. on how to drill oil. They would have been years back if we hadn't helped them with any of that and terror would not have probably happened. If they can't sell oil, they can't make money for their army. That is how we can defeat them.[/quote]



Could someone debate with me on this? I like these kinds of topics.